There’s more than one swamp to drain and hes been in office under 90 days. There were some young men working at a garage I went to and they were discussing how easy it was to make a solvent trap suppressor. repealing two, supposedly) would take seconds of his Twitter schedule. I beg to differ on that one. They can and will “kick your door down” and do it in full tactical kit but I can’t speak to their proclivity for shooting canines. The bureau noticed. They have the power to do so and they’ve shown that they’re willing to use it. When I explained it to them the attitude was complete indifference. Could it be that there’s a new sheriff in town who doesn’t like gun owners and just wants to cause as much havoc as possible? Never a good idea. in LATEST UPDATES FROM THE SHOOTERS UNION CAMPAIGNERS 17th May 2017 0 7,044 Views. I hate to tell you this but serge has you by the short hairs here. I’ve been going to gun shows since 1978 or so and I’ve never seen anything like that, if you did it was probably an ATF sting operation. That’s essentially what happened here. Yes, the law is ludicrous, I am not defending the law. But just like the idiot who intercepted a shipment of airsoft guns claiming that they could be “easily converted” to fire live ammo, some ATF offices have gone after some of … The Trace reported in 2017 that the ATF had taken action against three companies for selling silencers disguised as solvent traps. Killing the EPA can’t come soon enough. ► Estate Plan For Individuals There are more patriot constitutional oath keepers than ATF. So keep your powder dry gentlemen. Probably just all the lawyers involved in our founding trying to keep themselves in a job (their education in precedent isn’t all that useful if it’s been rejected). “The EPA has absolutely nothing to do with my employer and even if it did can you really compare being put out of work to having your door kicked in for no good reason?”. We are going to get nothing from this administration except to maybe be reminded how much worse it could be. (2) It is unlawful for any person to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange for profit, or to offer to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange for profit, the raw fur, as defined by Section 4005, of any fur-bearing mammal or nongame mammal that was trapped in this state, with a body-gripping trap as described in paragraph (1). What did we vote forTrump for? Still stupid as hell. So yeah, the EPA is an agency effectively outside the auspices of Congressional control and they’re armed to the teeth with a CID division that has a history of launching large armed raids for questionable reasons on which the agency will not elaborate. Not to mention, there is ample precedent for a judge to slavishly adhere to the interpretations of regulators vs. common sense or even the original statutory language & intent so long as it was written vaguely. Oddly there is no rule against threading a barrel to a common oil filter pitch/size. In his free time, he's a competition shooter (USPSA, 3-gun and NRA High Power), instrument rated private pilot, and enjoys mixing statistics and science with firearms. Trump is about to sell the 2A downstream to the highest bidder. Not to mention the Maglite suppressors are garbage anyways. As the EPA itself says of it’s own CID Agents: “EPA’s Criminal Investigation Division (EPA CID) Special Agents are fully authorized law enforcement officers empowered to enforce our nation’s environmental laws as well as any other federal law in accordance with the guidelines established by the Attorney General of the United States (18 U.S.C. That’s arguable. Make silencers impossible for the everyman to own again!! In terms of destroying the country’s economy, the EPA has done more than the ATF could dream of. Im still not buying that the EPA is more of a threat to me than the ATF. Price $59.99. Solvent traps are designed to collect cleaning fluid from the barrel of a gun, and amateur gunsmiths can easily convert them into suppressors. 2)  If the tube is the actual suppressor (or an integral part) then would he be able to change the oil filter as it began to wear? A test for President Donald Trump. You have entered an incorrect email address! I think we may be close. Quit wetting the bed over this. They do NOT sell end caps, freeze plugs other parts that could be used in a suppressor. Panty-waist Crybaby whiners. You all will quit belly aching when the HPA and national reciprocity passes. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Can firearms still be gifted after Abramski. We are still slaves nonetheless and our government masters can demand our money and lives at any moment. This is the 9 inch Solvent Trap.They are making a 10 inch Solvent Trap now also. excuse me, but um, why is the Atf still even in existence? Low VOC Solvents. You can get inside/outside threaded (like a MagLite tube) or inside/inside threaded that take a MagLite battery endcap. Sellers of "solvent traps" were pushing the legal envelope. Because someone who said it was OK when you made your investment just decided out of the blue that you are now in violation and must be put away for the safety of all in society. Another example is in California where they banned bullets .50" or larger because some people wanted to fire the evil, no-sporting-purpose .50 BMG cartridge. I mean, it’s not like anyone can really say they didn’t know they weren’t allowed to possess explosives without a license or manufacture gin in their shed without a distillery license. But you need to have a FFL10 or a Federal Explosives Manufacturer License. | The Legality of Solvent Traps. The trap set up should not be within 150 feet of a permanent or temporary residence due to potential risks. It Could Be You! This is our standard line of complete Solvent Filters. Suppressors, solvent traps, and legal traps. We do not customize these. You replacin’ internals on the sly without a license, huh?”. He also reviews whiskey and talks about woodworking at. Though maybe adapters are now non-regulated since the ATF specfically said the tube/sheath of a can is the serialized part (though all parts are still regulated)? Allowing a non-lawmaking org without oversight and holding them to process who can make “rule of law” via mere policy. Second Opinion) Good Afternoon. Votes are the new currency and trump couldn’t care less about guns so he will trade 2A rights for wall votes or this trillion dollar bridge binge. No law can keep someone from obtaining a sound suppressor, who really wants one. filling a paper form with the government will not stop someone that WANTS to kill,,, criminal minds will do without a signed paper and do what they want,,, period,,, so why must we pay $200.00 for a paper that only the good will have to pay for,,, paper does little good to PROTECT from the criminals that will shoot/kill paper or no paper,,, this is just another Taxation without the peoples consent,,, remove a muffler from the car and pay the ATF to put on a new one,,, un-muffled engines would be a real sound problem for the people,,,, not a muffled gun,,,, ole USN vet. F the ATF! ATF rules and the laws governing the things they regulate are generally pretty obvious. Reviews There are no reviews yet. I know of one company that still sells threaded tubes, Stainless, Carbon Steel, Aluminum and Titanium. Hell even a pillow constituting a suppressor part wouldn’t be surprising given their track record. B-B-But Trump’s Second Amendment Council of High Poobahs was gonna lobby for the passage of HPA! Even in Europe they have moreceived common sense than us when it comes to supressors. Just quit being cheap and buy a real suppressor from a reputable company through the legal process. Just keep thinking that everything that big daddy says is bad, is actually bad. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. They can, and sometimes will, simply write you a letter explaining to you how they’re all up in your business. Arsenal Attorneys: A National Firm - Offices in Virginia and California Arsenal Attorneys: A National Firm - Offices in Virginia and California CONTACT US TODAY 800.819.0608 CIRCLE FILE THE ATF AND THE GCA, JAIL THE SIGNERS, STRIP THEIR KIDS OF ALL ASSETS AND PEACE AND QUIET. B-But Eric Trump is pro-gun, pro-silencer, did a Youtube with SilencerCO! So, i like the idea of a solvent trap, as a legitimate method to keep gun crap and gun solvent off of my apartment floor. Our eco-friendly cleaning kits help firearm owners do their part for the environment allowing you to recycle, store, and/or dispose of solvent properly. For those unfamiliar with a ‘solvent trap’ adapter, it is an adapter that allows an oil filter to be threaded on one end and the other end will fit a threaded barrel. Remember that it was the Trained Gorilla in Chief who appointed the current ATF, not Trump. The EPA has absolutely nothing to do with my employer and even if it did can you really compare being put out of work to having your door kicked in for no good reason? (BTW, that company is about 10 miles from where I am.). I get a kick out of the people that ask them if it’s a suppressor, and the guy trying to make a sale tip-toeing around how it’s really illegal, but hey it’s your call. The use or possession of this type of firearm accessory is heavily regulated in some states. And for those of you with a felony record, do you know what the sentances for a felon or other prohibited person to be in possession? MAGA!! would it be a horrid idea to buy/build a solvent trap in California? That is what my client was interested in doing. ATF Shuts Down Another DIY “Solvent Trap” Business, Indicts Owner for Criminal... TTAG Email Subscribers Entered to Win a SIG SAUER SIG716 G2 Patrol Rifle! Mean while, the ghost(S) continue in there little shops. How about running your employer out of business and throwing your ass out on the street? You pretty much stated what I was going to say. Even Ruger 10/22 rifles, which cannot be cleaned from the breech without modification, are shown with these solvent traps in place. Please make sure you review the details before purchasing. 3063)…”, Further it’s been reported by Open the Books and The Washington Times that the EPA has amassed quite a little arsenal and therefore I’m guessing they, like any government agency, plan to put it into use: “Among the weapons purchased are guns, body armor, camouflage equipment, unmanned aircraft, amphibious assault ships, radar and night-vision gear and other military-style weaponry and surveillance activities”, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/10/epa-spends-millions-on-military-style-weapons-repo/. Facebook. May 12, 2017 A GSG-5 rifle equipped with a solvent trap sold by Solvent Trap Etc. Tinker tinker tinker. There will be a PTR Petition To Revoke probation if you are on probation and you will be in jail for all the years that were previously suspended. This is what is the problem. Ebay has dozens of people (and federal agents too, probably) selling the adapters.. First off, the EPA will have absolutely everything to do with your employer if they decided that they do. Solvent Trap = Legal Problems! This is the problem, 18 U.S.C. They are sold as “Solvent Traps”. POS way the ATF promulgates rules, and the shifting sands it creates ARE WHOLLY THE PURPOSE OF INFRINGEMENT, so as to keep you far back from the edge of [F all of you and your BS] “established legal limits” and “parameters’. The concept of a “solvent trap” kit is about as subtle of an end run around the National Firearms Act as “bath salts” are an end run around the Controlled Substances Act. I find it very odd that our system of law was so beholden to ancient, pre-Revolutionary practices, considering we had otherwise rejected entirely the Old World systems of governance. gripping traps. ► Letter of Instruction for Will. Who knows? I’ve only been going to shows for the last 3 years, about 2 or 3 times a year, at different venues near Charlotte, and everyone of them has 1 or 2 booths with the adapters and oil filters timing right next to it. From the controversy with the “pistol brace” open letter to pot scrubbers and even silencer wipes the ATF appears to be on a roll re-classifying items and practices that have long been accepted as legal and aggressively enforcing their interpretation of the law. I prefer to pay the extra, buy legally and if they raid my house while I am gone hunting they won’t find anything illegal, plus I just sleep better at night. Or is there something else going on behind the scenes? Therefore, it would generally not be cost effective to plan on using a ‘solvent trap’ adapter as the basis of a Form 1 build since you would be stuck using a single oil filter for its entire service life. We also offer premium engraving services, in addition to multiple finishing options. Pursuant to a seizure warrant issued by the United States District Court for the District of Utah, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has seized the website www.darksidedefense.com. Hell, he could tell them via Twitter for all I care. They might decide to regulate them as “Destructive Device” parts, i.e., Pipe Bomb. Form 1 and such. I’d put on my shocked face but I seem to have misplaced it while cleaning the house last night. Meanwhile I’m just happy he’s causing tree hugging prius driving LGBTWTFBBQ pansies some real pain. I think the adapters as well as the filters are now both required to be serialized (or is the can considered a “wipe” which is now non-user-servicable?) I have toyed with the idea of picking one up, but *NOT BEFORE* I had a signed Form 1 with a stamp attached to it all nice and legal in my hand. While mice are technically included in California’s current definition of “non-game mammals,” SB 1645 does not apply to ordinary residents who set traps … This is the problem with our slide away from Common Law to Statutory Law. “Still, the chances that the ATF show up will a bullcrap warrant are MUCH greater than the EPA.”. Be the first to review “5.56/30cal Internal” Cancel reply. As sold the purpose is to facilitate barrel cleaning but with a small degree of workmanship, a properly sized washer, and an oil filter they can be converted into a suppressor. Secondly, the EPA has an armed enforcement division known as EPA Criminal Enforcement Division. And I hope Gay PTSD is a “pre-existing condition” in Plan B lol. Under Common Law, the solvent trap manufacturer has committed no crime because they have not harmed anyone and there is no victim. It will always be a back and forth game. If we sell it, it's in stock and ready to ship -- unless we specifically tell you otherwise. For years the ATF has said that solvent traps are legal to produce and possess, but as soon as they are re-designed to allow a bullet to pass through them the traps become illegal unregistered silencers (unless a Form 1 is approved and the silencer is registered). They’ve determined that the manufacture of solvent traps is now equivalent to the manufacture of an unregistered silencer. Subscribe now. Trapping License, Junior $41.72 Solvent traps do attach to the muzzle of a firearm but do not have any design features intended to allow a bullet to pass through them. Grant the members of the company Immunity from Prosecution or I understand the power they have, and what goverment agency doesn’t have its own personal swat team nowadays? These are a very efficient and cost effective solvent trap. I was recently contacted by a client who was considering purchasing a threaded ‘solvent trap’ adapter and using it as the basis for a Form 1 build of a suppressor. 3)  The adapter and the tube would share the same serial number. I went to my truck and brought back my empty, chamber flagged FNX 45 with a Rugged Obsidian. Now what do you do? For more detailed facts about California Animal Trapping Laws, click here on the Rodent Guys website. Stay informed. Believe it or not, you CAN LEGALLY build one. Foghorn is a gun nerd living and working in San Antonio, Texas. I’m personally most worried about “why’s the end of that silencer unscrew, boy? I was recently contacted by a client who was considering purchasing a threaded ‘solvent trap’ adapter and using it as the basis for a Form 1 build of a suppressor. SOLVENT TRAPS ARE LEGAL. For someone on a budget that doesn’t own a lathe, a solvent trap is a great way to go about making a form-1 silencer. The question of when a solvent trap becomes a suppressor is one that should be considered carefully by a would-be purchaser. © COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. When will the 2nd be used as intended? Hopefully we’ll be able to figure it out before the ATF reclassifies varmint grenades as actual grenades. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The seizure warrant was issued based on the Court’s finding of probable cause that the website facilitated the unlawful sale of items marketed as “solvent traps.” It sucks waiting so long and it’s expensive but then you are not worried about this crap. You will either comply or bad things will happen. Solvent Trap Etc. This seems to be happening a lot recently. Even in the rare cases when the ATF does crack down, retailers have found ways to circumvent punishment. Just ask the person who was operating that firearm solvent trap business. I think that the priorities in this situation are completely reversed. The only question is: Who wants to be the test case, any volunteers? So while possessing solvent trap cups is perfectly legal, possessing incomplete silencer baffles without an approved Form 1 is not, even if they are one in the same. Entrapment, CAN include the B.S. I mean, how many people do you suppose know that “tuning” the engine of your car is a federal felony regulated under the auspices of the EPA? Because a new director requires Congressional approval. Solvent Trap Kit - Solvent Trap, Fuel Filter for NAPA 4003 WIX 24003, Provides Maglite Suppressor, Napa 4003 Fuel Filter, Titanium Solvent Trap Solvent Trap Suppressor, 223 Solvent Trap Kit, Solvent Trap Adapter, Maglite Solvent Trap, 4003 Fuel Filter, Solvent Trap Baffles. Napa 4003 Fuel Filter. Whenever you try to operate on the edge of the law you should expect these things to happen. Simply the best Solvent Trap Components. I called my congressmans office asking about when the HPA might come out of committe and the idiot who answered the phone had no clue what I was talking about. He barely got EPA in. Are we tired of winning yet? SILENCERS ARE LEGAL TOO as long as you do the right paperwork and pay the tax stamp. I ordered a solvent trap from Aliexpress. Unless you’re manufacturing guns, gun parts, playing with explosives, growing/distributing tobacco or making alcohol you’re basically outside the province of the ATF unless you own some NFA toys. But the simple answers are: 1)  The adapter and the oil filter together make up the suppressor as an integrated whole. sec. Amnesty after they have been prosecuted. People will try to use loop holes to make illegal toys and the ATF will try to close the loop holes and make you purchase your toys the proper way. Granted, pretty much everyone has a MUCH better life than the African slaves of the late 1700s. ► LLC Formation, ► Non-NFA Items Spreadsheet I also let them know that most of even the Form 1 Maglight and Solvent trap suppressors were ok but lacking the quality internals and accessories. Issued to a nonresident who traps fur-bearing or nongame mammals for pest control purposes. Do you have any idea how serious of a charge it is to be caught with an unregistered NFA item? Why Does the ABA Have a Standing Committee on ‘Gun Violence’. That is unless the landowner or resident gave a written permission to do the trapping closer to the resident. I turned them on to Silencer Shop, Allen Arms, Capitol Armory and a local gun shop that sells NFA items and was right a Ross the street and they didn’t even know about it. “Ebay has dozens of people (and federal agents too, probably) selling the adapters.. No doubt most people will skim over that fact, bend down, and kiss the chains that bind them. Agents seized the products and his computer (with potentially all the customer records) and charged him with a Federal crime (specific crime not specified). Companies who offer solvent trap part kits for sale were on the wrong side of the law. By Ann Givens. The whole idea of using “solvent traps”, oil filters and 2 Liter pop bottles as suppressors is just asking for trouble in the form of a lose your gun rights felony. It seems to be getting close. Probably the best choice for users in California is the new VOC-Free Flux Remover – UltraClean™ (#MCC-VOC). An EO telling the ATF to chill or write a formal reg (i.e. That would be a logical assumption, however this is not a bureaucratic agency that arbitrates within the realms of logic. You and your employer don’t get to have any input on that. Wonder how long until the BATFEaRBF starts issuing dictums to automotive oil filter manufacturers. This is a new cleaner is based on a “siloxanes,” a material that is 100% VOC exempt and listed as the #1 Preferred Solvent Choice of the South Coast Air Quality Management District. Where *do* they get their action-item list, I wonder…, The Democratic and Republican congressmen want the same things…. Okay, so you’re argument is “not Trump’s jackboots which he can totally give marching orders to or fire whenever” and “gun rights just aren’t important to him.” I’m so glad you guys nominated this dude. Complete Solvent Filter, Solvent Trap. On the priorities of anti-American bullshit, the EPA is orders of magnitude above the ATF. Email Address. It is just another feel-good law, in the supposed name of public safety. https://paypal.me/fathertimenc?locale.x=en_US Solvent traps catch and trap solvent which also helps protect your skin from potentially harmful chemicals during bore cleaning processes. I wouldn’t touch one if I found it in the street. Maddening, right? Armory Den is your reliable wholesale partner and nationwide distributor of high-quality solvent traps, Adaptive Solvent Traps (AST’s), solvent trap parts, end caps, jig/drill kits, adaptors, firearm cleaning kits, accessories and more! Posted on June 3, 2014 by John Pierce. What was is one day given the nod of approval can the very next, turn you into a felon. How many times does trump have to punch the gun world in the face before it stops crawling back into his bed? I need another 9mm can and was about to pull the trigger on a higher end solvent trap. Most of those companies were including instructions on how to make the suppressor(how to make the pieces of metal illegal) which highlights everyone’s intentions. He wanted to file a Form 1 and, upon approval, legally build an inexpensive suppressor. Never mind that things like AR lowers with holes engraved on them or silencer baffles with predrill holes are functionally incapable of fulfilling the function requirements of the law, the ATF has been assuring us they are indeed finished items or indistinguishable for many years and court cases. The relevant portion of the ATF guidance letter is as follows: ► NFA Trust The ATF has been cracking down on “solvent trap” kit manufacturing companies ever since, starting with SD Tactical in January. It needs to stop. Never miss a big story. What I’d like to know, if any of you were caught up in this type of BS, do you shoot back? Rainwater runoff or what is or what is not a wetland on the other hand can get into areas people legitimately don’t recognize are regulated, especially since the EPA has made rulings that are insane, like declaring parts of Arizona desert to be “wetlands”. Indeed, this inanity is about due for a court challenge. If you wish something different than what we have here, visit our “You build it” page and you can create your own custom set-up. It’s bullshit that the ATF rewrites laws/regulations at will to fit their agenda but just stay inside the law and have no worries. How many thousands are you out? Still, the chances that the ATF show up will a bullcrap warrant are MUCH greater than the EPA. Note:7 required per Quiet Bore 5.56/30cal solvent trap. California has enacted a new ban on fur trapping for animal pelts, making it the first state to outlaw a centuries-old livelihood that was intertwined with the rise of the Western frontier. Our Maglite solvent trap adapter kit was designed to replace the original ends on a standard D cell maglite housing. These filters are one of hte most popualr filters for attaching to any of our rifle Solvent Trap Adapters. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that a couple minutes with a drill (or a couple rounds of AP ammunition) would put a hole through the trap and turn it into an honest to God silencer. The threaded adapter to fit filter to barrel is the missing link that will get you in trouble,. They were blown away by the quality, the baffles and the modularity of my unit. a business shuttered by the ATF earlier this year. Fast forward to modern day times, when internet retailers like Amazon sell solvent trap kits online. This is what happens when you define law by “policy” and obfuscation. A month or less wait to form 1 a can, very appealing. Also, after Congress passes the Hearing Protection Act, 2)  While a licensed manufacturer could change out such a component, an individual or trust who made a suppressor on a Form 1 could not unless they registered a new suppressor on a new Form 1 and submitted an addition $200 tax. Please remind me, when was Trump’s ATF director confirmed? The threats are foreign and domestic. I think Solvent Traps Etc just got volunteered.

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